John Garrett. Real posh supercilious bastard. joined in '63 Dreadnought in the Annexe and Duncan in main camp, Went swimming at Vincent before colling-grad got its pool, and sailing if my memory is not totally shot, I sometimes considered climbing to the top of the mast a tossing myself off. HMS Ganges organisation of meals - covering the galley in the Long Covered Way/messdeck dining, and the introduction of the CMG block /communal dining - dated 1952. c. Punishment of Juniors (U) at HMS Ganges dated 1970. d. Restrictions on the caning of boys as a punishment dated 1929-1931. Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. 1907. At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and 'signed on' for 12 years. First time ever looking at any RN sights. This page is dedicated to the memory of Tony whose commitment to the Royal Navy and especially HMS Ganges was unlimited. Boys normally signed up to a contract of 12 years, which would leave most of them aged in their late 20s after their tours. Maurice was nothing to do with HMS Ganges, in fact he had been a crew member of HMS Hambledon. HMS Ganges moved moorings from Harwich to Shotley. Every letter of our names had to be perfectly in line. I was ordered to report for my test one evening after supper. Such a tragedy that this historical place has been left to rot. George Blake joined the Navy in 1935 and served up to 1950. A historic Grade II listed former Royal Navy training mast has been taken down ahead of restoration work. My heart sank and my elation evaporated as I desperately tried to quash all fears of my body falling from the Devil's Elbow. HMS Ganges (1821) This page summarises records created by this Organisation The summary includes a brief description of the collection (s) (usually including the covering dates of the. Ganges Tales of the T.R.O.G.s Print length 264 pages Language English Publisher Second City Publishers, Penmarth, Cornwall Publication date 22 Nov. 1995 ISBN-10 090681605X ISBN-13 She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. Dave Walton RN retired. [1] Every letter, every strip of tape had to be in a perfect line. He was fondling my right cheek as I tried to concentrate on pipping. I knew only when it was over would I then be able to call myself a true Ganges Boy and, some years later, a real sailor. Click here to remove banner ads from this forum. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. Thus was the nature of Ganges harsh training regime. The showers usually took place at the crack of dawn, summer or winter we ran from the barrack towel around our waist to the showers. May 46 to HMS Wakeful, Training Flotilla for a twelve-week tour from . Outbreak of World War One. Read about our approach to external linking. I had thought that our group were the only sailors, if we dared call ourselves that, in this annexe, but I was soon to discover there was a continuous rotation of faces, each at various stages of initiation, a small factory taking in baby civilians at one end and throwing out almost sailors into the real HMS Ganges at the other. Sad to see such an establishment close as it was so full of history and meant so much to so many. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can Engineer commander had been on Amethyst up the Yangtse and was quite sympathetic when he was OOD. At the tip of the Shotley peninsular sits a cluster of abandoned buildings that were once home to hundreds of young lads right at the start of their lives at sea. During Ganges's time in Cornwall allegations of harsh and brutal treatment were reported to the Admiralty.One wardroom steward shot himself over the matter, and the reports aroused indignation in the local community. She had taken on the previous duties from the wooden ship H.M.S. On the parade ground the order went something like On the command fix! The left hand went behind the cheek of your left buttock and twisted the bayonet and scabbard upward. Shotley Marina, Shotley Gate, Ipswich, IP9 1QJ. After sewing on a tag and sporting a proud smile as I offered it up for inspection to that gorilla-of-gunner, I was sent scurrying away, ears ringing from slaps and vehement words, asking myself, 'How the hell did I mange to sew the tag on upside-down?'. Mr Youngman, who joined the navy aged 15 in 1965, said he had previously climbed up to the top of the mast but "couldn't wait to get back down". In the first week of January it was snowed even harder and it snowed until March. Heard so much about HMS Ganges though and it sounded very good for developing 'real sailors ' but as much as I hate to admit it I suspect it would have been too much for me . Welcome to our next documentary, investigating the decaying remains and iconic abandoned swimming pool of HMS Ganges Royal Naval training school, as well as . All thanks to my Instructor CMEM LUCKENS . Ronald Carr. ", The sailors in training doing exercises outside the gym (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). No way would the Royal Navy let the opportunity to instill fear into a young boy pass them by, So began another nine months of laughter and tears, disaster and joy. they said. Attempts have been made to contact developers Haylink Ltd but have been unsucessfull. I was at Ganges in 1955 and went to visit Shotley in 2005 and was surprised to see police signs near the old swimming baths. There was a way to bypass it for cowards like me, but God help you if you tried using it. what an incredible article, thanks for that dave, how far did you get up that mast? One person found this helpful. Hetzner Online GmbH, Industriestrasse 25, D-91710 Gunzenhausen, Germany +49 9831 505-0 abuse@hetzner.com. Were you a 'button boy'? The previous evening I'd arrived at HMS Ganges training annexe, with an assortment of other would-be-sailors, and was placed in the capable hands of a spotty-faced junior instructor and a bullet-proof gunnery instructor who wore crossed guns on both lapels. It used to be a training camp for the Navy until 1976, and in later years it was a police training school. Saw your message. RM B54PCM - Twiggy the baby elephant was half an hour late for her appointment to 'tow of the premises', the 47 year old Captain Derek Napper Napper, skipper of HMS Ganges the naval training school at Shotley Suffolk, and found she had been replaced by a couple of horses. The pipe (whistle) was used aboard ship for passing orders and instructions. Im here as my Son (15) wants to join the RN - Wellbeck route AIB soon. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. Rather than do the two as a pongo I signed on the dotted line for a dozen , best thing I ever did and I regret not staying in for the full time . October, new Shore Establishment created and commissioned as Royal Navy Training Establishment, Shotley. Today lots of those instructors (JIs and Badgeboys included) would be in front of the beak for various abuses, harassment and bullying. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. Who would have believed us, this was 1955 words like pedophile and sexual abuse were unheard of. H.M.S. It was at Shotley Point that the wooden ship HMS Ganges was berthed from 1899, and used as a cadet training ship for the Royal Navy. Maybe we boxed each other in the Shotley annexe! It was hoped that Developers Haylink Ltd would start work early this year, but their plans were scuppered by the Covid-19 pandemic. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. Royal Navy 238217 Ordinary Seaman HMS Niobe . Each of us was required to construct a printing block using letters carved in wood. Picture: SARAH LUCY BROWN (Image: Archant). When the Gunnery Instructor was finally satisfied, you put the lot back in your locker as before. Royal Navy 238217 Boy 1st Class HMS Ganges II. 1906. Some boys were home sick, some just tried to stay out of trouble, one or two ran away. Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Allegations of Abuse. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. The skipper was HS McKenzie who went FOSM. Sad to see such an establishment close as it was so full of history and meant so much to so many. The noise was excruciating. 1937. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. GANGES; the ship had previously anchored out in the harbour below, at Shotley Gate, on the east coast opposite Harwich. CMEM (M) Served from 1972 - 1987 Served in HMS Ganges. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. Now i know why! Picture: SARAH LUCY BROWN, Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. JavaScript is disabled. If not, you would do it repeatedly, until you dropped dead if necessary. 1959 and what a bugger Ganges turned out to be. I wondered, sewing, perhaps! . I knew a gentleman who said when he was at Ganges in 1947 he had his first taste of hot food. You are using an out of date browser. Find out more about HMS Ganges at www.hmsgangesmuseum.com, or visit the museum, located at the end of King Edward VII Drive, in Shotley, IP9 1QJ. Indeed, I have never met a shipmate would ever claim otherwise. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Through the year the training was intense, probably a good thing, it gave us little time to regret joining the navy. GANGES was the shore training establishment for boy entrants into the Royal Navy from 1905 until 1976. 'Letters back to front, remember!' There were stories of many similar violations but none ever reported. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, The Duke of Edinburgh visiting HMS Ganges in June 1973 Picture: ARCHANT. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. CEM1 Served from 1972 - 1978 Served in HMS Ganges. Justin I saw the mast fully manned three times and it was a wonderful sight to see as it was so well choreographed and I was always amazed how the button boy could even get onto the button, when there was a breeze the mast moved a few good feet at the top of it and as I said all he had to hold onto was a knee high lighting conductor. ", The honours board from the HMS Ganges, showing the victories of all the Royal Navy ships bearing the name (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). To get out of the showers we had to stand before our instructor legs apart arms raised for inspection. Probably running away was the worse decision, they were always caught and returned to the camp. According to the HMS Ganges Museum, her timbers were used to make objects including a grand staircase on an estate, and a cocktail bar in a small hotel, both in Devon. In 1907, its famous training mast was erected on the parade ground. Old men on the HMS Ganges Facebook page and it helps keep alive my time spent there. Learn how your comment data is processed. Did my intro to Pusser at HMS Raleigh in ' 52 . last entry 16.30 We are also please to welcome visitors at any other time by prior appointment - please telephone 01473 788315 or 01473 788723 to arrange this. This site uses cookies. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The next six years passed with regular naval detentions, ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth) exhausting punishments, solitary confinements, ending with a twelve month sentence in the infamous HMP Corradino, Malta. "Most of what was on the site went to the naval museum in Portsmouth, but we have the honours board and figurehead from the original ship. Ken said: It was a dreadful winter. 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The inquiry was carried out by Hampshire Police after debit card transactions of 4,200 and cash machine withdrawals totalling 74,000 were made from the association's bank accounts between August 2010 and June 2012. St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. Ganges will for ever be the legacy of every young boy who passed through those distant gates to emerge as a sailor and a man. 2023 BBC. and for those of you who served at ganges and who have't joined the association go on..nothing to lose and you'll find a lot of old shipmates there!! July 27, Awarded the Freedom of Ipswich. At about 60 feet was the Devil's Elbow, the most dangerous and frightening part. The only thing I can remember of that awesome night, apart from collecting a kit bag and filling it to capacity with kit, was sobbing myself to sleep and that I ate the biggest meal I'd ever eaten in my entire 15 years of life. He went on to be an SD subby. The association said it had about 3,000 members and at the time of the offences its income from membership fees was about 30,000 a year. Each time I let it go off it popped, falling to the deck with a clatter. I arrived at Ganges in the late afternoon on March 15th 1955, along with roughly a hundred other fifteen year old boys. 1905 to 1976 saw 150,000 recruits pass through HMS Ganges. An appeal by Woolverstone Parish Council was turned down two years later. The master at arms held a long thin bamboo cane, the instrument of the punishment. July 5 The old HMS Ganges sails out of Harwich Harbour. 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"A lot of the boys came from foster homes, or Barnardos. The cinemas would be packed with rows of Ganges boys in uniform and the caf at the corner of St Stephen's Lane would sell them many cups of tea as they waited for their bus back to Shotley. Photos showing the rusting mast at the former site of HMS Ganges at Shotley peninsula have been released on social media, prompting concerns that the 142ft high structure is not being properly. The cold water often caused some boys to duck in and out of the water quickly or sometimes not at all. Each evening after we had cleaned the mess, we took everything out of the locker rolled each item into a nine-inch sausage, tied white tape around both ends, and then placed every item on a blanket. H.M.S. However lessons, culminating in a test, were much more difficult. Read about our approach to external linking. One lad, a Geordie, was drafted early to a Destroyer bound for the Mediterraniann sailed from Plymouth He was washed overboard on his first few hours at sea..His parents never knew of the misery he suffered at Ganges. MT2 Served from 1965 - 2021 Served in HMS Ganges. When I say there was sexual abuse Im speaking from personal experience. I was so fearful of that oncoming event I was becoming a nervous wreck, each night reading the next day's daily orders, wondering if tomorrow would be the day I crapped my pants in public. For breakfast porridge was on offer, that salt-coated gruel I'd been forced to eat every morning of my schoolboy days. Discipline was severe, routine constant and fear of punishment loomed at every turn. BBC Blue Peter presenter John Noakes attempted to climb to the top of the mast. I shuddered to the bone, as I'm sure did other boys. HMS GANGES 6th May 2009 - YouTube. Standing at 143ft, the mast is made up of three main parts; the main 75ft mast came from HMS Cordelia, a steam corvette built in Portsmouth, the top mast of 47.5 ft wooden ruffle box from HMS Agincourt, which was renamed HMS Boscawen, and then Ganges II. Rumour had it many years ago a boy did fall, bouncing off the safety net and through the Post Office roof. interesting .. photos of the old pool. They looked smarter, more confident, or even downright dejected. Maybe we were unlucky with Instructors as one was Court Marshalled, discharged and sent to prison for so called abuse. HMS Ganges had a reputation for its harsh discipline. Early in 1940 Admiralty decided to close Ganges as a Boys Training Establishment and in April it became a Hostilities Only Training Establishment. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. They looked like what we didn't, sailors. Back in the mess, this safe haven shielding us from those torturous sounds, the junior instructors' suspiciously cheerful faces greeted us. I would like to see the mast and museum moved to the safety of HMS Raleigh though to ensure its upkeep and maintenance. AboutPressCopyrightContact. Jon Sparks. The showers at Ganges were just one bare room with several shower heads, no privacy. She was the last wooden wall ship to be a flagship, and the last to sail around cape horn unassisted. There was a seamanship officer at the boat sheds. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. This gallery has been set up as a home for images that have not so far been added to the Museums Official Website https://www.hmsgangesmuseum.com/ Used to have chats with old Tick-Tock and RPO Salmon gave me my 1 postal order when the max was really ten bob. However, in the meantime we were still at the mercy of our instructors. Some boys failed the initial inspection which only lengthen their time in the freezing conditions. Mr Jones said: "There is a lot of truth to the statement that you entered as a boy, but left as a man. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. "Boys came into Ganges at age 15 and went into the navy as men at 16. H.M.S. Speaking about the current state of the site, Mr Jones said: "All of the messes have been demolished, as have the laundry and the generators. Editors' Code of Practice. Bob Roberts. Royal Navy 238217 Boy 2nd Class HMS Ganges II. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships since from 1779, but in 1905 it was chosen as title for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich where about 500 boy recruits were stationed. The money belonged to the HMS Ganges Association for people who served at the former naval training base at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, Suffolk. Crowds of boys from HMS Ganges would visit Ipswich when they were given a day off from the harsh naval discipline at Shotley. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. Helpful. The training was tough, brutal at times, yet many of those who came through remember HMS Ganges, at Shotley Gate, with a certain fondness. HMS Ganges is situated on the Shotley Peninsula in Suffolk. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 16 June 2021 . contact the editor here. The boy was made lower his trousers, but kept is underpants on, he was made to bend over a chair. Should one of letters be a millimetre out, you found the lot on the deck when you returned to the mess. 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