Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six November 6, 2019 W124 This Mercedes W124 300E called "Blueberry" is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. Black striped white vacuum line for throttle body, Remove overflow pipe to coolant reservoir, Wiring under both headlights and loom ties, Bolt on driver side securing pipe to chassis, Disconnect supply and return lines on pump, Return behind ignition coil, 17mm and 14mm, Disconnect main engine wiring and set aside, Disconnect auxiliary wiring and set aside, Cruise control servo (8 pin connector under ABS pump), Crankshaft position sensor (front) underneath X92, Disconnect exhaust downpipes from exhaust manifold, Disconnect transmission shifter linkage(s), Suggest removing entirely to avoid bending the rods accidentally, Disconnect transmission slave cylinder fluid line (manuals only). I did all the swaps and all the work myself. this is why my mercedes is a stock classic show car and my NA volvo 850 GLT is going to me my tuned performance car. Note that the battery is located under the hood on an E320, and the couple of computers there are, are located just behind the battery under the windshield. Is there a worthy replacement for the 190E 2.6. I'm sure you can find a high mileage 87 TD car and just rebuild the engine and possibly even do a trans swap. Doesn't the 93 sportline have the switchable differential? And isn't the M119.960 slightly wider and taller, making the fit into a 124 even harder? Every panel is made from FRP (fiber-reinforced plastic) except for A-pillar, C-pillar, and roof. The original 190E engine support brackets must be brought over from the original motor as well as the motor mounts. Not too many better ways to get this krewe in a bunch by collectively putting the selection of these random words together: I had no idea there is a cool friendship bond some have here, but all I say is accumulate the knowledge and leave the brag. When you find one, buy it. you should check on 190rev there's more tuning types there than here. I would like to put an engine in mine that puts out at leat 300maybe 255+. The flywheels and driven plates (for the automatic) have large metal ridges that trigger a sensor for the ignition system. I saw one real nice one on the web that had a AMG 3.8 in it. And still, the purists cried, "Heresy!" Most E420's do not have ASR nor heated seats. both m104 and 2jz handle 1000hp but the price is real big difference. Only 100 cars like mine ever imported into the US, really, I don't know, can anyone cite accurate numbers? Learn how your comment data is processed. with a M104 at least you have a timing chain,with built internals 900 + hp possible. JavaScript is disabled. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. So my question is, can I just find a used M104 3.2 liter engine and ECU, and toss it into my car? For reference: I've owned/own 2 M104 swapped 190Es. He is an electrical wizard. Sweden for a dyno tune. The swap from the smaller 2.6L M103 to a 3.0L M103 is a direct bolt-on swap (assuming the engines from the same cutoff years are used) and gives a small increase of around 30HP. Set starter in place if it isn't already and reconnect wires. M104.981ish 3.0L Engine Block Moar. I think you meant steering box/column from a w201 (not W210) W103 is what you meant. Unfortunatly, I have done tons of research, and it all depends on how much you want to spend. CIS 4 prong sensor is now located at the water pump so this needs to be lengthened. Learn how your comment data is processed. BMW broke the hearts of many fans worldwide with the debut of the E90 generation of their M3 sports car. The suspension features factory Mercedes subframes with custom front and rear control arms and KW 3-way adjustable coilovers. the mercedes is a DD that gets 30mpg that looks good. Additionally, the high pressure hose is slightly longer and uses a 90 degree bend that is not compatible with a 190E 2.6 A/C condenser. The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Learn how your comment data is processed. For those unfamiliar with the project, it's powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a . You must log in or register to reply here. Is removal and shorter belt fitting possible? as for fitting in the 104 engine, it is anyone's guess whether the manifold and down pipes will clear the steering box. I would also like to do suspension up grades and a EVOII kit in the future. Yes, I'm putting the 1995 E420 Special Edition on the block for a number of reasons which I'm not going to expound on here about. Originally Posted by Kestas. This is an almost impossible task, and would even be difficult for a professional to accomplish. Biggest problem isint fuel, if u cant retard ignition according to boost then eventually u have some major engine failure. Lower hose is only about 20cm long. The easiest swap out, would be a 90-93 300SL Engine Swap. Is that a street car? It's lacking power to spin the big heavy 18" AMG monoblock wheels it came with, so I'm looking into an engine swap. However, The flywheel is going to be a problem for you. Haven't taken it to the track yet but I know it has over 220bhp. I heard the M104 is the same longblock engine as the M103 with the same fuel delivery system, except it is bored out for more displacement, and has DOHC 4 valves per cyllinder instead of SOHC 2 per cyllinder, but is essentially the same engine. As, If the OP sends me a container with subject vehicle, m119.970 + donor 400E and $25k I can make it work in a few months. ..looking in that engine bay I understand why, https://teamlovetap.com/the-only-w209-driftcar-in-the-world. For those unfamiliar with the project, its powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox. The team also includes mechanics Christopher Reinholdsson, Robin Carlsson, Stefan Engstrm, Jesper Jumisko, Edvin Olsson, Joel Haglund, and media/spotter Sebastian Simonsson. Learn how your comment data is processed. Is it possible to have 5-speed w/ this engine? Since then the car has seen a lot of action. Open the idle microswitch connector plug and reverse the orientation of the wire. Any slk egne fit in there? The M104.98x now has an updated version of CIS that is not directly compatible with the older version. If it doesn't stall leave it alone!!!!!!!!!!!! I was just giving you a hard time. I am currently working on a my W201 2.6 project car. The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v inline-six but was replaced with a 3.0 L M104.980 24v inline-six. Yup, that's John's car. 20cm is slightly too long). We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Mercedes M104 make a good tuning project and with carefully chosen sports modifications like remapping, turbo upgrades and camshafts you will substantially increase your driving opportunities. Connect oil pressure and oil level sensor wires, Bolt wire bracket to rear of intake manifold (10mm), Connect alternator wires coming from right fender, Connect rear crankshaft position sensor wire, Connect front crankshaft position sensor under X11 diagnostic port, Connect heater return hose at back of engine, Use W124 water reservoir overflow hose and 190E valve from thermostat cover, Use T connector at front vacuum nipple to connect to EZL and EGR/Smog pump solenoid, Connect black striped white vacuum line from throttle body to check valve at fender behind headlight, Connect 3 vacuum line at rear of intake manifold. The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums, tongue-in-cheek - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. There are two approaches to getting the wiring completed for this swap. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Not to mention, but on the 500E, the computers are located under the hood, and the battery is located in the trunk. cheap way ,and use procharger instead. Probably $5k for the engine, $1.5k for the tranny, and the cost of the computer plus labor, figer 9-12. Engine Swap Depot. Using the ones meant for a W124 will result in the engine sitting too high and interfere with hood closing, Removed the engine mount support arms from the original 190E motor and transferred to the new M104 motor. The engine features stock crank, Turbobandit 143 mm H-beam rods, stock pistons, stock bearings, Enem camshafts, double valve springs, Audi R8 coilpacks, and 2200 cc injectors. Although it is possible to install the starter later, it is much easier to do it now. I haven't done much looking into the nitty gritty details myself when it comes to the electrical side of the swap, I just know it's becoming increasingly more prevalent. . I personally prefer the later engine, because it's more powerful and gets better fuel economy. Lengthen and connect the 3 prong connector under fuel distributor for airflow potentiometer (brown/green, blue/black, blue/green), Lengthen and connect the 1 prong coolant temperature sensor (green), Lengthen and connect the 2 prong coolant temperature sensor (brown, green), Lengthen and connect cold start valve wire, Longer CIS 4 prong coolant temperature sensor. The alternator for the W124 will work, but the wires will be kinked in an unnatural position. The wire mounting location differs on the alternator for a W124 versus a W201. In order to use the M104 CIS intake box, the supply line must be swapped. Yeah, I've got a thread going over there too. To swap a non V8 w124 into LH V8 spec would require the following parts changing: Wouldn't it be fun to have a 500e wagon? I think mine should run 14's no problem at the track. The car is powered by a 3.2 L M104.992 inline-six using stock pistons, forged 144 mm rods, main girdle, custom intake and exhaust manifolds, custom dry sump system, and BorgWarner EFR 9180 turbocharger. I wish I could have a M3 or Audi TT, but dont have the cash. Using the original 190E A/C manifold hoses not work entirely either. Mine isn't an LE though, just a 190e sportline. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. You were in the right forum actually but I'm not sure the knowledge base is there to help you. I wasn't kidding about a 6-12 month search nationwide. History, Power & Specs of the Engine M104 2.8 L M104.900 3.0 L M104.98x 217 to 228 hp@ 6400 rpm 265Nm (195lbft@ 4600) (with cat) weren't there like 100 sportline LEs built for the USA and 100 for europe? Was real nice. i'll trade you my 87 parts car (engine and trans and body in tact) and a 5spd +shifter assy for you to tear apart and modify for your 2.6 5-spd see everyone wins!! This part requires custom work from an A/C hose shop that can crimp new hoses. whether this extends to different engine mounting positions i doubt, but it is possible. I have plenty of tuning spirit, but some things are best left alone. Front of block: 350SDL "Diesel" crank (Now not just limited to L series fun for strokers!) Once all the wiring is laid out it is pretty simple to figure out. Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU and it made 800 horsepower and 930 Nm of torque to the wheels. Bolt starter to transmission later. Im very glad Ive discovered this thread as when I started the swap in January this wasnt posted yet, Im mechanically minded but new to cars and electrics in general, any pointer will be much appreciated, thanks! Ok got it all nearly wrapped up this past week, around 60 hours or so to turn key M104. Would you recomend doing this swap? 4 bangers can be quite powerful.. The stock 3.8L Euro has 218bhp and I have flowmaster exhaust, an intake from a 420SEL, (It bolts right on), and a crane cams ignition. I believe the engine carrier would need to be modified. Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums. Looks like im gonna be spending a lot of money on this projecthehe. The upper hose needs to be simply matched to the original length of the 190E part and the lower hose comes out to around 20cm (I would try 19.5cm for an easier fit. I suppose that would work, I'm not sure why the 2.0 steering column is different than 2.3 or 2.6. ya dont destroy a 5-speed sportline. A number of years back I had converted a manual 1987 W124 200 (4 cylinder carb engine) to a 3.6 HFM engine and auto trans. Now that I'm fully woken up and on my third cup of coffee, I also want to mention that the KE-Jet M119 has a completely different computer and electronics setup than the LH-based M119 cars. Aftermarket is obviously with the LS. I could make a you-tube video to document the process with lots of "Hey Guys today I'll just pop the motor in" and a mere few tea breaks later the engine will be in and it will all be easy peasy time for epic burnouts. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. i have the m102 2.0 in the car as is and i have heard that the problem with having the smaller motor rather than the 2.3 or 2.6 is that the steering box will cause a problem when fitting the engine? Will always be cheaper to get what you want from the get go, If a wagon is your thing, maybe find a junkyard S124 and V8 124 with a crappy body and just frankenstein them? w16302ML500 w21097E50Amg w20299C230K w12494420e /==>w12495320e-199u (needs elec TLC) /GreatWhiteNorth Kanada, I dont think w210 would be the right forum for this but i changed it, 89 190E2.6- 5-speed Manual - 200K miles, 95 E320 Sportsline-sold, 2001 E320 4matic Wagon-sold. The Mercedes-Benz M104 is a straight-6 automobile engine produced from 1989 through 1999. 1- the M104.980 should be direct one due o the similarity with my M103 2.6 CIS system, but I need to have the ECU, the EZL and the harness. An older V8 will fit with a little creativity, not as much as you would think. It's 80%. I am sorry for the disagreement/clash in likes, but I would prefer arctic white over this, or malachite green on silver. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. you really should join the 190 forum (sorry, i don't have a link) as Picture time, A few more things for anyone wanting to do the swap. Inside the car you find a custom six-point roll cage, Takata 6-point harness, Sparco Evo 2 seats. you have a diamond in the rough. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. It has a double overhead cam design with 4 valves per cylinder, and used a crossflow cylinder head. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. M104.98x Motor Swap in a 190E One of the most common engine swaps for a 190E is the installation of the bigger M103 3.0L motor. This BMW E46 has spent the past two years being built by VRP Fab in Lublin, Poland for drifting. '85 Euro 190E 2.3-16, '84 Euro 500SE, '90 300SEL, '51 Euro 170S, '15 G63 AMG. :p, What about suspension and the rearend? Nissan 350Z Gets Turbo Mercedes M104 By Michael Van Runkle Published Jun 7, 2020 The Merc powered 350Z pumps out an impressive 510 horsepower and 464 lb-ft of torque, which is much more than the stock Nissan mill. As @a777fan said, there are multiple discussions of these types of engine swaps on the forum. I have a mint condition M104 I6 3.2L and the transmission is mint, so is the diff. If you are picky about colors and options, plan on a nationwide search that may take 6 months or longer. Im no where near having all of the funds to do thisproject withwere probably looking at like a year or two down the road. The 20% difference consists of 10% engine/gearing, 8% bodywork and interior, and 2% everything else. The secondary firewall and motor mounts are also positioned differently to accommodate the extra length of the M103. You must log in or register to reply here. Hi Adriano. I generaly like motors bigger than4cylunless they are turbo. Source: VRP Fab (large build gallery) via ESD reader Piotr. You are using an out of date browser. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. No matter how i lean it back and forth the steering box is not touching anything, the engine mounts are in the correct place it and it has like a 2-3 cm gap from the starter. Navigation Menu. The W124 has the connection point closer underneath the brake booster line and is about 5 inches shorter. Alright, putting a 94 M104 into a 89 2.6 5spd W201 (Green/Black). Hello S70/2, Im new to this forum, well any forum in fact but I need a lot of help, Im currently undertaking an m104 hfm swap, the motor is in and have managed to wire it to the extent where it turns, fuel pump responds to m104 fp relay but cant seem to get it to spark, Ive currently taken all the wirering back out to start again, I have full wirering diagrams printed out, one thing Im confused with is how the ecu is supplied with power? Doing the upgrades on an E420 is plug+play, and easily done if you have the ability to handle an engine swap. '87--190E 2.3-16v(being rebuilt), '99--C230 Kompressor. Lower engine from hoist into engine bay and align motor mounts. 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